{"id":2860,"date":"2019-05-09T11:00:58","date_gmt":"2019-05-09T11:00:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/?p=2860"},"modified":"2019-05-09T13:53:05","modified_gmt":"2019-05-09T13:53:05","slug":"shared-histories-popular-obscure","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/shared-histories-popular-obscure\/","title":{"rendered":"Shared Histories, Popular and Obscure"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nellie Killian<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is one of today\u2019s most inspired film curators. In addition to cofounding the Migrating Forms Film Festival, she\u2019s worked with an array of A-List festivals, institutions, and venues, including BAM, Anthology Film Archives, Metrograph, the Museum of the Moving Image, the Quad Cinema, and the Criterion Channel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nellie has a passion for popular and obscure cinema alike, inventively presenting rigorous work in accessible contexts, and vice versa. How many curators can say they\u2019ve programmed a <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bam.org\/film\/2016\/chantal-akerman\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Chantal Akerman series<\/span><\/a> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and<\/span><\/i> a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lightindustry.org\/policesquad\"><i>Police Squad<\/i> marathon<\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">? She\u2019s always impressed me with her holistic view of film history and encyclopedic pockets of specialization, and she\u2019s one of the people I look to for leads on new filmmaking voices and hidden gems in a TIFF, Sundance, or SXSW lineup. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Since we\u2019ve moved on from the institutions we were closely linked with for many years \u2014 she from BAM, myself from Maryland Film Fest \u2014 I\u2019ve come to consider Nellie a trusted colleague and my touchstone for where things are in film culture, where they should be headed, and how we can get there.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2881\" style=\"width: 510px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2881\" class=\"wp-image-2881\" src=\"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-300x169.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" srcset=\"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-300x169.jpg 300w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-200x113.jpg 200w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-768x432.jpg 768w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-1024x576.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-1680x945.jpg 1680w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-1240x698.jpg 1240w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-860x484.jpg 860w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-680x383.jpg 680w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-400x225.jpg 400w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207-50x28.jpg 50w, http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_5207.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/p>\n<p id=\"caption-attachment-2881\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><center><em>Film programmer Nellie Killian<\/em><\/center><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Walk us through your early involvement in curation.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shortly after I graduated from college, I found two part-time jobs in film, as an educator at the Museum of the Moving Image and as a marketing assistant at BAM. Those jobs allowed me to see movies for free at every art house in New York City, so I started going to the movies nearly every night. Back then, programming seemed like a dream job. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the same time, two of my friends were working at the New York Underground Film Festival, and they got me involved with programming right off the bat. They knew I liked trolling the Internet for weird videos, and figured this was no different than going through a pile of screeners. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">After a couple of months of that, I ended up running NYUFF with them. We were lucky enough to be handed the keys to a festival that ran a small profit, allowing us to pay ourselves something. Eventually Kevin McGarry and I started Migrating Forms as a continuation of NYUFF, but also as a new direction. This gave me a platform to do the type of programming I was interested in, and every opportunity that came afterwards was because of the work I did there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Having curated for a variety of festivals in different markets, what can you tell us about finding the balance between expressing your taste and pleasing other entities, be they distributors, employers, or audience expectations?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don\u2019t really think of programming as expressing my taste. You enter into it with certain interests or bodies of knowledge, but ultimately you have to figure out what will broaden your audience, as well as broadening your audience\u2019s interests.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It works the other way, too \u2014 the audience should broaden the curator\u2019s horizons. You try to figure out what\u2019s missing in your local film scene, partner with people who have different perspectives, and see what works. If you have an open mind about that process, you might find yourself interested in things you previously thought weren\u2019t your cup of tea.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Are there some films you\u2019ve programmed that you didn\u2019t think the audience would be ready for that they actually ended up enthusiastically embracing?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Chris Marker\u2019s<\/span><i> Level Five<\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> was a huge hit at BAM. I put it in limited showtimes for a week-long run and filled out the rest of the schedule with a Marker retrospective. I thought it would do fine, but it was a sensation. We were selling out every screening in a 272-seat theater. Obviously the bigger Marker titles did well, but even the shorts programs were standing-room only.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/a1ym4URQKOQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Marker series, the Cassavetes retrospective, and <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bam.org\/film\/2017\/one-way-or-another\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One Way Or Another: Black Women Filmmakers Before 1990<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, were all really well-attended by filmmakers. At a venue that screens new work as well as repertory, it feels great to close that loop \u2014 like when someone premieres their film at BAMcinemaFest and says \u201cI was watching Bu\u00f1uel movies here while I wrote this script,\u201d or \u201cI saw Gena Rowlands speaking in this very room when I was starting out as an actress.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Of the special series that you\u2019ve programmed, what are some of your favorites?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My sentimental favorites have more to do with what was going on in my life at the time than the series themselves. I was absolutely devastated by Chantal Akerman\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No Home Movie<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> when I saw it at TIFF, a feeling that only deepened when she died a few weeks later. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We did a full retrospective of her work along with the run of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No Home Movie<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> at BAM a few months after that. As I was working on that series, my father became ill. By the time it started in April, I was living in San Francisco part-time, helping take care of him. It made my visceral reaction to <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No Home Movie<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> seem like a premonition. I took it as a sign that I was doing the right thing at a chaotic moment in my life.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What was the origin of your Metrograph series\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/metrograph.com\/series\/series\/138\/tell-me-women-filmmakers-womens-stories\"><em>Tell Me: Women Filmmakers, Women&#8217;s Stories<\/em><\/a><\/b><b>?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the wake of the sexual harassment and violence allegations in the film industry in 2017, I kept hearing people say that we had to listen to women. The phrase was specifically being used to talk about trauma, but it seemed broader to me: women aren\u2019t listened to, period. Saying your office is now a safe space for women to talk about harassment is ludicrous when women still aren\u2019t even listened to in office meetings. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It also made listening to women sound like a chore, or penance. I saw a lot of documentaries over the years by women and about women, and was toying with the idea of building a series around it. I kept thinking it needed a sharper point, but with all of this in the air, the time seemed right. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A few of the films talk about trauma, but I was also interested in the pleasure of hearing women talk \u2014 about work, kids, friends, lovers. They tell jokes and stories, they talk shit. There are also stories that fit into this wave of reporting about sexual misconduct. It isn\u2019t new that women are talking about this sort of thing, but a lot of the movies on this subject are marginalized, denying contemporary women a sense of shared history and solidarity that should be available to them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What are some of the movies from <\/b><b><i>Tell Me<\/i><\/b><b> that got the best responses\u2014whether in attendance or in high points of enthusiasm?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Chick Strand\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Soft Fiction<\/span><\/i> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">was the film that sparked the idea for this series, and it was great to see it sell out and have so many people writing about it. It\u2019s tricky because the series was composed of so many short films, and it\u2019s harder to get people through the door for shorts. I wish people would seek out <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kanopy.com\/product\/betty-tells-her-story\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Betty Tells Her Story<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">; <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Suzanne,_Suzanne\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Suzanne, Suzanne<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">; and <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/film-makerscoop.com\/catalogue\/roberta-cantow-clotheslines\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Clotheslines<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. The Criterion Channel is going to do a version of this series in the coming months, and hopefully they will be available then.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/dn07G7yJ4dU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><b>In repertory programming, how much do you feel filmgoers need to know their film history to appreciate the present? <\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you only watch contemporary movies, your frame of reference is limited. It\u2019s like a fish not knowing it\u2019s wet. I don\u2019t think a person needs to prove some level of mastery of film history to have a valid perspective, but if a person is basically incurious, I wouldn\u2019t be that interested in what they have to say about the sliver of contemporary culture they do appreciate.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>For more information, visit <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/nelliekillian.com\/\">nelliekillian.com<\/a><\/strong>, and smash that <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/nelliekillian\">follow button<\/a> for some of Film Twitter\u2019s choicest wit, wisdom, taste, tips, and dog pics. <\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An interview with film programmer Nellie Killian (BAM, Metrograph, Criterion Channel).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":12,"featured_media":2874,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[98],"tags":[92,97,62],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2860"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/12"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2860"}],"version-history":[{"count":15,"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2860\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2882,"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2860\/revisions\/2882"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2874"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2860"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2860"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/endcrawl.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2860"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}